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المخطوطات اليونانية
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الاية موجودة كاملة في المخطوطات اليونانية التالية
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اقتباسات الاباء
القديس هيبوليتوس (170 - 236 ) ميلادية
but He Himself attests it who came down from heaven; for He speaketh thus: "No man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
ايضا القديس هيبوليتوس
It is evident, therefore, that He offered Himself to the Father. And before this there was no flesh in heaven. Who, then, was in heaven
الاب نوفاتيان (210-280) ميلادية:
Because, even to the highest, "not any one hath ascended into heaven save He who came down from heaven, the Son of man who is in heaven."
الاب تاتيان (185) ميلادية:
what is in heaven, will ye believe? And no man hath ascended up into heaven, except him that descended from heaven, the Son of man, which is in heaven.
ثيؤودوريت فى حواره الثالث:
How, then, does the Lord say "If ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where He was before," I and again "No man hath ascended up to heaven but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven?"
القديس أغسطينوس يقتبس النص ثلاث مرات فى بحثه عن "المميزات و غفران الخطايا و معمودية الأطفال" الذى وجهه الى ماركلينوس , الكتاب الأول
We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
و أيضاً:
How these things can be? "No man," says He, "hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
و أيضاً:
To ascend, therefore, they would be wholly unable, since "no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
و فى عظاته على فصول مُنتخبة من العهد الجديد 41 : 7 يقول:-
Dost thou wish to ascend? Hold fast to Him that ascendeth. For by thine own self thou canst not rise. "For no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven."
و القديس يوحنا ذهبى الفم فى تأملاته على إنجيل يوحنا 27 : 1 تعرض لشرح النص تفصيلاً يو 3 : 12 - 13 , و يقتبس النص مرتين , المرة الأولى كمقدمة للشرح و الثانية فى معرض حديثه قائلاً:
And this He declared by what follows, when He said, "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven."
و القديس غريغوريوس النزينزى يقول:
And he puts forward as a witness to this monstrous assertion a garbled quotation from the Gospels, namely, No man hath Ascended up into Heaven save He which came down from Heaven, even the Son of Man which is in Heaven
و غريغوريوس الكبير يقول:
Therefore the Word and the flesh is one Person, as He says Himself, No man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven
و العلامة يوحنا الدمشقى يقول فى شرحه للإيمان الأرثوذكسى:
The third mode is one which declares the one subsistence and brings out the dual nature: for instance, And I live by the Father: so he that eateth Me, even he shall live by Me(1). And this: I go to My Father and ye see Me no more(2). And this: They would not have crucified the Lord of Glory(3). And this: And no man hath ascended up to heaven but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven
