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الرسالة: [QUOTE="فادي الكلداني, post: 3132982, member: 108978"] [B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=5]سوف لن نختلف استاذي الحبيب يوحنا مهما كانت الاسباب ...ولا يوجد طائفة ..نحن مسيحيين مؤمنيين بيسوع المسيح القائم من بين الاموات...[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=5]اورد اقوال بعض الاباء عن موضوع انبثاق الروح القدس من الاب والابن...وانا معك بخصوص ردودهم على بعض البدع والهرطقات التي كان تقلل من قيمة الابن..[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] "[FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]I believe the Spirit to proceed from no other source than from the Father through the Son." [I]Tertullian, Against Praxeas, 4:1 (A.D. 216). [/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]"Now the Spirit indeed is third from God and the Son; just as the fruit of the tree is third from the root, or as the stream out of the river is third from the fountain, or as the apex of the ray is third from the sun." [I]Tertullian, Against Praxeas, 8:1 (A.D. 216).[/I] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=4][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]"We consider therefore that there are three hypostases, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit; and at the same time we believe nothing to be uncreated but the Father. We therefore, as the more pious and the truer course, admit that all things were made by the Logos, and that the Holy Spirit is the most excellent and the first in order of all that was made by the Father through Christ." [/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]Origen, Commentary on John, 2:6 (A.D. 229[/SIZE][/FONT]). [/I] "[SIZE=4][FONT=Arial]For as the Son, who is in the Father and the Father in him, is not a creature but pertains to the essence of the Father (for this you also profess to say); so also it is not lawful to rank with the creatures the Spirit who is in the Son, and the Son in him." [I]Athanasius, To Serapion, I:21 (A.D. 360). [/I][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]"For He, as as been said, gives to the Spirit, and whatever the Spirit hath, He hath from the Word." [/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]Athanasius, Against the Arians, III:24 (A.D. 362[/SIZE][/FONT]). [/I] [B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=5]فقط للاطلاع ولاغناء الموضوع وليس للنقاش...[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Arial][SIZE=5]تحياتي [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [/QUOTE]

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