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الرسالة: [QUOTE="apostle.paul, post: 2479863, member: 85886"] [b]رد: كان الكلمة الله ام اله؟للدكتور هولى بايبل[/b] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]دليل اخر هام وهو اقوال الاباء الذي يعبر عن فهم العدد ايضا عبر الزمان [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [COLOR=Blue][B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]اقوال الاباء [/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue][B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]القديس ايرينئوس من اباء نهاية القرن الاول بداية القرن الثاني اي شاهد عيان لكتابات القديس يوحنا [/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/COLOR] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.html"][COLOR=#000000]ANF01. The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus[/COLOR][/URL][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]The Evangelists, too, when they declared that the one Father was “the only true God,”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]1229[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]1229[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.17.html#John.17.3"][COLOR=#e00000]John xvii. 3[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]did not omit what concerned our Lord, but wrote: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]God[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made.”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]1230[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]1230[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.1.html#John.1.1"][COLOR=#ffffff]John i. 1[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Also[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Chapter XI—Proofs in continuation, extracted from St. John’s Gospel. The Gospels are four in number, neither more nor less. Mystic reasons for this.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]1. John, the disciple of the Lord, preaches this faith, and seeks, by the proclamation of the Gospel, to remove that error which by Cerinthus had been disseminated among men, and a long time previously by those termed Nicolaitans, who are an offset of that “knowledge” falsely so called, that he might confound them, and persuade them that there is but one God, who made all things by His Word; and not, as they allege, that the Creator was one, but the Father of the Lord another; and that the Son of the Creator was, forsooth, one, but the Christ from above another, who also continued impassible, descending upon Jesus, the Son of the Creator, and flew back again into His Pleroma; and that Monogenes was the beginning, but Logos was the true son of Monogenes; and that this creation to which we belong was not made by the primary God, but by some power lying far below Him, and shut off from communion with the things invisible and ineffable. The disciple of the Lord therefore desiring to put an end to all such doctrines, and to establish the rule of truth in the Church, that there is one Almighty God, who made all things by His Word, both visible and invisible; showing at the same time, that by the Word, through whom God made the creation, He also bestowed salvation on the men included in the creation; thus commenced His teaching in the Gospel: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]Word[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] was [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]God[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was nothing made.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]3429[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]3429[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] Irenæus frequently quotes this text, and always uses the punctuation here adopted. Tertullian and many others of the Fathers follow his example. [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]What was made was life in Him, and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not.”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]3430[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]3430[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.1.html#John.1.1"][COLOR=#ffffff]John i. 1[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000], etc. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Also [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]For that according to John relates His original, effectual, and glorious generation from the Father, thus declaring, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]God.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]3453[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]3453[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.1.html#John.1.1"][COLOR=#ffffff]John i. 1[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Also[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Chapter VI.—Continuation.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]How could such a one be a mere man, receiving the beginning of His existence from Mary, and not rather God the Word, and the only-begotten Son? For “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]1203[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]1203[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.1.html#John.1.1"][COLOR=#ffffff]John i. 1[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]and the Word was [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]God[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]1204[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]1204[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] Some insert here [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.1.html#John.1.3"][COLOR=#e00000]John i. 3[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]And in another place, “The Lord created Me, the beginning of His ways, for His ways, for His works. Before the world did He found Me, and before all the hills did He beget Me.”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]1205[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Also[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Chapter XVIII.—God the Father and His Word have formed all created things (which They use) by Their own power and wisdom, not out of defect or ignorance. The Son of God, who received all power from the Father, would otherwise never have taken flesh upon Him.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]And to these things does John also, the disciple of the Lord, bear witness, when he speaks thus in the Gospel: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]God[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]. This was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was nothing made.”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]4609[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]4609[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.1.html#John.1.1"][COLOR=#ffffff]John i. 1[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000], etc. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Also[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Chapter VIII.—How the Valentinians pervert the ******ures to support their own pious opinions.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]Since, therefore, he treats of the first origin of things, he rightly proceeds in his teaching from the beginning, that is, from God and the Word. And he expresses himself thus: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]was God[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]; the same was in the beginning with God.”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]2772[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]2772[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.1.html#John.1.1"][COLOR=#e00000]John i. 1, 2[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000][IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]for the Word was the author of form and beginning to all the Æons that came into existence after Him.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Ante-Nicene volume 1 page 328, 428, 546[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Hermas [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Vision Third.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][I]Concerning the Building of the Triumphant Church, and the Various Classes of Reprobate Men.[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]But in another[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]107[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]107[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] and much inferior place they will be laid, and that, too, only when they have been tortured and completed the days of their sins. And on this account will they be transferred, because they have partaken of the righteous Word.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]108[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]108[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] (St. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.1.html"][COLOR=#ffffff]John i.[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] i) [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]And then only will they be removed from their punishments when the thought of repenting of the evil deeds which they have done has come into their hearts. But if it does not come into their hearts, they will not be saved, on account of the hardness of their heart.”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Volume 2 Page 15, [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [COLOR=Blue][B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Theophilus[/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/COLOR] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Chapter XXII.—Why God is Said to Have Walked.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]And hence the holy writings teach us, and all the spirit-bearing [inspired] men, one of whom, John, says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]596[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]596[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.1.html#John.1.1"][COLOR=#ffffff]John i. 1[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] showing that at first God was alone, and the Word in Him. Then he says, “The Word was [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]God[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]; all things came into existence through Him; and apart from Him not one thing came into existence.” The Word, then, being God, and being naturally[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]597[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]597[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] That is, being produced by generation, not by creation.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] produced from God, whenever the Father of the universe wills, He sends Him to any place; and He, coming, is both heard and seen, being sent by Him, and is found in a place.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Volume 2 Page 103[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [COLOR=Blue][B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Clement of alexandria[/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/COLOR] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][I]Chapter I.—Exhortation to Abandon the Impious Mysteries of Idolatry for the Adoration of the Divine Word and God the Father.[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]You have, then, God’s promise; you have His love: become partaker of His grace. And do not suppose the song of salvation to be new, as a vessel or a house is new. For “before the morning star it was;”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]865[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]865[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.Ps.10.html#Ps.10.3"][COLOR=#e00000]Ps. cx. 3[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]and “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]God[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]866[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]866[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.1.html#John.1.1"][COLOR=#ffffff]John i. 1[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] Error seems old, but truth seems a new thing.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][I]Chapter VIII.—Against Those Who Think that What is Just is Not Good.[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]“For there is nothing which the Lord hates.”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]1174[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]1174[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.Wis.11.html#Wis.11.24"][COLOR=#e00000]Wisd. xi. 24[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] For assuredly He does not hate anything, and yet wish that which He hates to exist. Nor does He wish anything not to exist, and yet become the cause of existence to that which He wishes not to exist. Nor does He wish anything not to exist which yet exists. If, then, the Word hates anything, He does not wish it to exist. But nothing exists, the cause of whose existence is not supplied by God. Nothing, then, is hated by God, nor yet by the Word. For both are one—that is, God. For He has said, “In the beginning the Word was in God, and the Word was [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]God[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]1175[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]1175[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.1.html#John.1.1"][COLOR=#ffffff]John i. 1[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] If then He hates none of the things which He has made, it follows that He loves them. Much more than the rest, and with reason, will He love man, the noblest of all objects created by Him, and a God-loving being. Therefore God is loving; consequently the Word is loving.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Volume 2 page 173, 225[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.titlepage.html"][COLOR=#0000ff]ANF03. Latin Christianity: Its Founder, Tertullian[/COLOR][/URL][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Ante-Nicene volume 3[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5]Anti Marcion[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]Chapter III.—Weak People Fall an Easy Prey to Heresy, Which Derives Strength from the General Frailty of Mankind. Eminent Men Have Fallen from Faith; Saul, David, Solomon. The Constancy of Christ.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]Did not certain of the disciples turn back from the Lord Himself,[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]1876[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]1876[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.6.html#John.6.66"][COLOR=#e00000]John vi. 66[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] when they were offended? Yet the rest did not therefore think that they must turn away from following Him,[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]1877[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]1877[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] A vestigiis ejus.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]but because they knew that He was the Word of Life, and was come from God,[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]1878[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]1878[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.1.html#John.1.1"][COLOR=#ffffff]John i. 1; vi. 68, and xvi. 30[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]they continued in His company to the very last, after He had gently inquired of them whether they also would go away.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]1879[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]1879[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.6.html#John.6.67"][COLOR=#e00000]John vi. 67[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]It is a comparatively small thing,[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]1880[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]1880[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] Minus.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]that certain men, like Phygellus, and Hermogenes, and Philetus, and Hymenæus, deserted His apostle:[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]1881[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]1881[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.iiTim.1.html#iiTim.1.15"][COLOR=#e00000]2 Tim. i. 15; ii. 17; 1 Tim. i. 20[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]the betrayer of Christ was himself one of the apostles. We are surprised at seeing His churches forsaken by some men, although the things which we suffer after the example of Christ Himself, show us to be Christians.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]Chapter XVIII.—An Eulogy on the Wisdom and Word of God, by Which God Made All Things of Nothing.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]On this principle, then,[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]6311[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]6311[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] Proinde.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]if evil is indeed unbegotten, whilst the Son of God is begotten (“for,” says God, “my heart hath emitted my most excellent Word”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]6312[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]6312[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] On this version of [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.Ps.45.html#Ps.45.1"][COLOR=#e00000]Ps. xlv. 1[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]., and its application by Tertullian, see our [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000][I]Anti-Marcion[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] (p. 299, note 5).[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]), I am not quite sure that evil may not be introduced by good, the stronger by the weak, in the same way as the unbegotten is by the begotten. Therefore on this ground Hermogenes puts Matter even before God, by putting it before the Son. Because the [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#660000][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03/Page_488.html"][COLOR=#ffffff]488[/COLOR][/URL][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]Son is the Word, and “the Word is [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]God[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000],”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]6313[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]6313[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.1.html#John.1.1"][COLOR=#ffffff]John i. 1[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]and “I and my Father are one.”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]6314[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]6314[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.10.html#John.10.30"][COLOR=#e00000]John x. 30[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]But after all, perhaps,[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]6315[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]6315[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] Nisi quod.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]the Son will patiently enough submit to having that preferred before Him which (by Hermogenes), is made equal to the Father![/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]Chapter XX.—Meaning of the Phrase—In the Beginning. Tertullian Connects It with the Wisdom of God, and Elicits from It the Truth that the Creation Was Not Out of Pre-Existent Matter.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]Now in this there is all the greater reason why there should be shown the material (if there were any) out of which God made all things, inasmuch as it is therein plainly revealed by whom He made all things. “In the beginning was the Word”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]6331[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]6331[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.1.html#John.1.1"][COLOR=#e00000]John i. 1[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]—that is, the same beginning, of course, in which God made the heaven and the earth[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]6332[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]6332[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.Gen.1.html#Gen.1.1"][COLOR=#ffffff]Gen. i. 1[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]—“and the Word was with God, and the Word was [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]God[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]. All things were made by Him, and without Him nothing was made.”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]6333[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]6333[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.1.html#John.1.1"][COLOR=#e00000]John i. 1–3[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]Now, since we have here clearly told us who the Maker was, that is, God, and what He made, even all things, and through whom He made them, even His Word, would not the order of the narrative have required that the source out of which all things were made by God through the Word should likewise be declared, if they had been in fact made out of anything? What, therefore, did not exist, the ******ure was unable to mention; and by not mentioning it, it has given us a clear proof that there was no such thing: for if there had been, the ******ure would have mentioned it.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]Chapter VII.—The Son by Being Designated Word and Wisdom, (According to the Imperfection of Human Thought and Language) Liable to Be Deemed a Mere Attribute. He is Shown to Be a Personal Being.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]Is that Word of God, then, a void and empty thing, which is called the Son, who Himself is designated God? “The Word was with God, and the Word was [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]God[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]7840[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]7840[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.1.html#John.1.1"][COLOR=#ffffff]John i. 1[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]It is written, “Thou shalt not take God’s name in vain.”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]7841[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]7841[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.Exod.20.html#Exod.20.7"][COLOR=#e00000]Ex. xx. 7[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]This for certain is He “who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]7842[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]7842[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.Phil.2.html#Phil.2.6"][COLOR=#e00000]Phil. ii. 6[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]In what form of God? Of course he means in some form, not in none. For who will deny that God is a body, although “God is a Spirit?”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]7843[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]7843[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U][URL="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/asv.John.4.html#John.4.24"][COLOR=#e00000]John iv. 24[/COLOR][/URL][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000].[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]For Spirit has a bodily substance of its own kind, in its own form.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]7844[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]7844[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000][IMG]http://new.holy-bible-1.com/media/10095/html/94wakan-alkalema-allah_html_m281b8ff1.png[/IMG]Now, even if invisible things, whatsoever they be, have both their substance and their form in God, whereby they are visible to God alone, how much more shall that which has been sent forth from His substance not be without substance! Whatever, therefore, was the substance of the Word that I designate a Person, I claim for it the name of [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000][I]Son[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]; and while I recognize the Son, I assert His distinction as second to the Father.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#b47b10][U]7845[/U][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000]7845[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5][COLOR=#000000] [On Tertullian’s orthodoxy, here, see Kaye, p. 502.][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=5] [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000]فهل بعد هذا الكم من اقوال الاباء الواضحه والشروحات يبقي تشكيك ؟[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]

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