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اليوم اقيمت مناظة فى غرفة استاذ اخرستوس انستى بينه وبين الحاج وان اور ثرى حول موضوع " الملك الرضيع " ولقنه درس رائع عن كل شئ فى النقد النصى
موضوع المناظرة سيكون لنا موضوع اخر لزيادة " الفحت العلمى " له
وتحدى المسيحين ان ياتوا بمخطوطة لسفر نحميا وقال انى بتحداكم
ولكنه للاسف لم ينتظر لكى يرى وهو سحق سحقا تحت موطئ اقدامنا كعادتنا وهرب من الغرفة ومكملش
ونحن نقول اننا قبلنا التحدى بل ولو عندك نقطة دم ومازلت متمسك بزبالاتك العلمية متدخلش نفسك تانى فيما لا يعينك
نقط الرد على التحدى العبيط ستكون فى ثلاث نقط
1-اقتباس عام
2-اقتباس اكثر تحديد
3-الدليل المباشر
صور القصاصة
رابط الصفعة هنا
تعيش وتتحدى المسيحين وتتعلم منهم دوما
وكل الشكر للباشمهندس اغريغوريوس اللى زود صور القصاصة
موضوع المناظرة سيكون لنا موضوع اخر لزيادة " الفحت العلمى " له
وتحدى المسيحين ان ياتوا بمخطوطة لسفر نحميا وقال انى بتحداكم
ولكنه للاسف لم ينتظر لكى يرى وهو سحق سحقا تحت موطئ اقدامنا كعادتنا وهرب من الغرفة ومكملش
ونحن نقول اننا قبلنا التحدى بل ولو عندك نقطة دم ومازلت متمسك بزبالاتك العلمية متدخلش نفسك تانى فيما لا يعينك
نقط الرد على التحدى العبيط ستكون فى ثلاث نقط
1-اقتباس عام
2-اقتباس اكثر تحديد
3-الدليل المباشر
(1) الاقتباس العام
والقصاصة " الغير منشورة unpublished " تحوى نص نحميا اصحاح 3 عدد 14-15يورد لنا العلامة بروتزمان فى كتابه النقد النصى للعهد القديم ان كل كتب العهد القديم لها تمثيل فى قمران عدا سفر استير
The eleven caves have provided the scholarly world with fragments of about six hundred books. Of these, approximately one-quarter are biblical manu******s. There are at least fragments of all the Old Testament books except for the Book of Esther.24
24 Dupont-Sommer, Essene Writings, 3.
Brotzman, E. R. (1994). Old Testament textual criticism : A practical introduction (92). Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker Books.
فرجاء قبل ان تتحدى استاذتك جدد معلوماتك العقيمة اولا
The eleven caves have provided the scholarly world with fragments of about six hundred books. Of these, approximately one-quarter are biblical manu******s. There are at least fragments of all the Old Testament books except for the Book of Esther.24
24 Dupont-Sommer, Essene Writings, 3.
Brotzman, E. R. (1994). Old Testament textual criticism : A practical introduction (92). Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker Books.
ويكرر هذا ايضا فى موضع اخر ويقول
The Qumran scrolls give direct access to scribal activity in these crucial centuries. All of the Old Testament books are represented among the Qumran ********s with the exception of Esther.21 21 Frank M. Cross, The Ancient Library of Qumran and Modern Biblical Studies (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1980), 40
وهذا الكلام كفيل بالرد على امثالك الجهلة بان سفر نحميا ممثل فى قمران ووضع صورة فى كتابه عن عدد المخطوطات الممثلة لكل كتاب من كتب العهد القديم فى قمران ووضع عزرا ونحميا ككتاب واحد
(2) اقتباس اكثر تحديدا
يقول انه الى عام 2008 لم يكشتفوا مخطوطة لسفر نحميا وقبل ان تظهر قصاصة نحميا للضوء البعض اعتقد ان نحميا وعزرا يعتبروا كتاب واحد فى قمران كما هو الحال فى الكتاب المقدس العبرى فعلى هذا الاساس يمكن ان نعتبر ان قصاصة واحدة لاى منهما هو بمثابة تمثيل لكلا السفرين ويكمل ويقول ولكن بظهور قصاصة نحميا فى الكهف الرابع اكد ان السفر الوحيد الذى لا يوجد بين مخطوطات قمران هو سفر استير
(2) اقتباس اكثر تحديدا
من كتاب " مخطوطات البحر الميت اليوم " للعالم " جيمس سى فانديركام " صفحة 49
فرجاء قبل ان تتحدى استاذتك جدد معلوماتك العقيمة اولا
(3) الدليل المباشر
قصاصة نحميا
قصاصة نحميا
تعالوا نقرا من موقع معهد ijco لليهوديات ولاصول المسيحية وهذة المقالة كتبها العالم جيمس تشارلزويرث
The Dead Sea Scroll fragment is published with the permission of Lee Biondi, Los Angeles, California. The images are the product of the unusual skills of Bruce and Ken Zuckerman of West Semitic Research in Rolling Hills Estates, California.
For the tran******ion, see Nota Bene which allows diacritics and thinks right to left. The alignment follows the arrangement of consonants on the leather.
Codicology: [for measurement see image], reddish-brown leather with light areas and many lacunae especially on the right margin, darkening due to age and moisture, upper and right margins are visible, four lines of text, no horizontal or vertical lining. Dark black ink that is regularly spaced; the ****** is clear only with IR. No ink visible on the back. The first line reveals a supralinear Nun, supplied probably by the same scribe who may have intended to bring the text in line with the so-called MT.
Date: late first century BCE or early decade of the first century CE.
Palaeography:
Beth: two examples, two strokes, serif at top left, straight right vertical, and horizontal lower line as in Herodian ****** (see 4QNumb) of c. 30 BCE to 20 CE.
Dalath: 3 examples, one stroke that begins on the upper left curves down proceeds horizontally to the right, moves upward and then straight down, as in 4QDanb of c. 20-50 CE.
Waw and Yod: Both are made with one stroke. The Waw is longer, but both have a left top flag form as in 4QNumb.
Kaph: one stroke, slightly curved upper horizontal line, right vertical line is straight, the foot is almost horizontal as in 4QDanb of c. 20-50 CE.
Lamed: five examples (with some variety), one stroke, long form with upper triangular shape and curved right shoulder that ends in the middle of the line; the closest link is with 4QNumb.
Mem: four examples (not identical), two strokes. The first stroke begins at left and curves up and then around to the base line and then curves to the left and flat on the line; the second stroke is a slanted vertical one added on top. This form is mixed; perhaps it is close to the date of 1QM of c. 30 to 1 BCE.
Taw: three examples, two strokes, with upper left vertical extension, and left horizontal foot as in 1QM of c. 30 to 1 BCE.
The dating is thus most likely in the first decade of the first century CE.
Beth: two examples, two strokes, serif at top left, straight right vertical, and horizontal lower line as in Herodian ****** (see 4QNumb) of c. 30 BCE to 20 CE.
Dalath: 3 examples, one stroke that begins on the upper left curves down proceeds horizontally to the right, moves upward and then straight down, as in 4QDanb of c. 20-50 CE.
Waw and Yod: Both are made with one stroke. The Waw is longer, but both have a left top flag form as in 4QNumb.
Kaph: one stroke, slightly curved upper horizontal line, right vertical line is straight, the foot is almost horizontal as in 4QDanb of c. 20-50 CE.
Lamed: five examples (with some variety), one stroke, long form with upper triangular shape and curved right shoulder that ends in the middle of the line; the closest link is with 4QNumb.
Mem: four examples (not identical), two strokes. The first stroke begins at left and curves up and then around to the base line and then curves to the left and flat on the line; the second stroke is a slanted vertical one added on top. This form is mixed; perhaps it is close to the date of 1QM of c. 30 to 1 BCE.
Taw: three examples, two strokes, with upper left vertical extension, and left horizontal foot as in 1QM of c. 30 to 1 BCE.
The dating is thus most likely in the first decade of the first century CE.
Text: Nehemiah 3:14-15
Text Type: Proto-Masoretic with a reading (“and his sons” = ובניו) preserved in the LXX but corrected by a supralinear consonant (= נ) over the Yod (and to replace it) to provide a reading more in line with the so-called MT (“he shall build” = יבננו). If the scribe is not merely influenced by the form in line two, he has edited his text to bring it in line with the MT. It is conceivable, that the scribe was influenced by the movement to make the MT the dominant text type. Most likely this procedure was already evident in the beginning of the first century CE.
Text Type: Proto-Masoretic with a reading (“and his sons” = ובניו) preserved in the LXX but corrected by a supralinear consonant (= נ) over the Yod (and to replace it) to provide a reading more in line with the so-called MT (“he shall build” = יבננו). If the scribe is not merely influenced by the form in line two, he has edited his text to bring it in line with the MT. It is conceivable, that the scribe was influenced by the movement to make the MT the dominant text type. Most likely this procedure was already evident in the beginning of the first century CE.
Provenience: The one who had the fragment since the sixties reports that it is from Qumran Cave IV. The handwriting of this fragment of Nehemiah is similar in some ways to 4Q117, the copy of Ezra, but numerous forms indicate it is not the same scroll. The present fragment is not written in a “minuscule” ****** (to use Cross’ terminology for 4QEzra) and it is a few decades later than 4QEzra.
Importance: If this text is from Qumran, it is the only copy of Nehemiah found in the Qumran Caves. Scholars have assumed that a copy of Ezra from the Qumran Caves suggests the existence of Nehemiah, since Ezra and Nehemiah usually appear on one scroll (see DJD 39, p. 48).
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