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M., Metzger, B. M., Wikgren, A., Aland, B., & Karavidopoulos, J. (2000; 2009). [I]The Greek New Testament, Fourth Revised Edition (with apparatus); The Greek New Testament, 4th Revised Edition (with apparatus)[/I] (Mt 1:24-25). Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft; Stuttgart[/FONT][/B]. [/LEFT] [COLOR=Blue][B]كلمة البكر موجودة فى مخطوطة واشنطن اللاتينية القديمة الترجمات السريانية والفلجاتا وكل مخطوطات النص البيزنطى والاثيوبية والارمينية والسلافينية ودياتسرون تاتيان القديس كيرلس الاورشليمى ديديموس الضرير وابيفانيوس القديس جيروم والقديس اغسطين القديس جيروم من القرن الرابع(هو بروستانتى واحنا منعرفش ولا حاجة يا جاهل) وضعها فى نسخته [/B][/COLOR][LEFT][B][FONT=Century Gothic]25 et non cognoscebat eam donec peperit filium suum primogenitum et vocavit nomen eius Iesum[/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Century Gothic] And he knew her not till she brought forth h[U][COLOR=DarkRed]er first born son:[/COLOR][/U] and he called his name Jesus [/FONT][/B][CENTER][COLOR=Blue][B]الترجمة السريانية(مخطوطة خابوريس) [IMG]http://files.arabchurch.com/upload/images2011/716803493.png[/IMG] القديس [/B][B]Chromatius صديق القديس جيروم بروستانتى هو كمان؟؟؟ [/B][/COLOR] [LEFT][B][FONT=Century Gothic]Mary’s Continuing Virginity. Chromatius: But concerning what the Evangelist said, “[U][COLOR=Blue]And he did not know her till she had borne her firstborn son[/COLOR][/U],” not a few careless people insist on asking whether after the Lord’s birth the holy mother Mary had relations with Joseph. But this is not admissible on the grounds of either faith or truth. Far be it indeed that after the sacrament of so great a mystery and after the birth of the sublime Lord, one should believe that the Virgin Mary was intimate with a man. Remember that Miriam the prophetess of the Old Testament (the sister of Moses and Aaron) remained a virgin unsullied by man, having beheld the light of heavenly signs after the plagues of Egypt and the parting of the Red Sea and the Lord’s glory going in advance and seen in a pillar of fire and clouds. It is not plausible therefore that the Mary of the Gospel, a virgin bearing God, who beheld God’s glory not in a cloud but was worthy of carrying him in her virginal womb, had relations with a man. Noah, who was made worthy to converse with God, declared that he would abstain from the conjugal need. Moses, after hearing God calling him from the bush, abstained from conjugal relations. Now are we to believe that Joseph, the man who always did what was right, had relations with holy Mary after the birth of the Lord? Tractate on Matthew 3.1.[URL="http://www.arabchurch.com/forums/#_ftn1"]40[/URL] [/FONT][/B][/LEFT] [B][FONT=Century Gothic] [/FONT][/B][LEFT][B] [FONT=Century Gothic][URL="http://www.arabchurch.com/forums/#_ftnref1"]40 [/URL]40 CCL 9a:208.[/FONT] [FONT=Century Gothic] [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Century Gothic]Simonetti, M. (2001). [I]Matthew 1-13[/I]. Ancient Christian Commentary on ******ure NT 1a. (19). Downers Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity Press[/FONT][/B]. [/LEFT] [COLOR=Blue][/COLOR][/CENTER] [RIGHT][B]يتبقى لنا عرض تعليق فيليب كومفرت على النص. [/B] [B]ويقول ان من الممكن ان تكون اسقطت من الناسخ للحفاظ على بتولية مريم ان يفهم من كلمة البكر انها هناك اولاد اخرين بعد المسيح لكن النص فى لوقا موجود فيه كلمة البكر فلماذا لم يسقط؟؟؟؟؟[/B] [B]فالنص فى متى مطابق للنص فى لوقا[/B] [CENTER][IMG]http://files.arabchurch.com/upload/images2011/250974074.png[/IMG] [/CENTER] [B]لا اعلم يا عزيزى اى بروستانت اضافوا هذة الكلمة؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟ الا تستحى من جهلك يوما وتتعلم شيئا فى حياتك بدل متموت فى جهلك[/B] [/RIGHT] [/LEFT] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]

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