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الرسالة: [QUOTE="apostle.paul, post: 2764219, member: 85886"] [b]رد: الرد علي كتاب (( نقد أدلة النصارى في تأليه السيد المسيح )) 7 الله ظهر في الجسد ![/b] [COLOR=Blue][B][FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=5]اقتباسات الاباء الاولين لنص رسالة بولس الرسول بداية من القديس اغناطيوس وهو من العصر الرسولى [/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/COLOR][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]فقبل مجمع [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]نقية فهذا[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]اغناطيوس[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial](100 م) [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]على مدخل القرن الثاني الميلادي يستشهد[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]بالنص في رسالته إلى أهل أفسس[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE] [LEFT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]There is one Physician who is possessed both of flesh and spirit; both made and not made; [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]God existing in flesh[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]; true life in death; both of Mary and of God; first possible and then impossible, even Jesus Christ our Lord.” Ignatius (100 AD), Epistle to Ephesians Ch 7[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/LEFT] [RIGHT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]في اقتباس آخر في رسالته [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE] [/RIGHT] [LEFT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]“There is [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]one God, who has manifested Himself by Jesus Christ His Son[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial], who is His eternal Word, not proceeding forth from silence, and who in all things pleased Him that sent Him.” Ignatius (100 AD), The Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians, Chapter 8[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/LEFT] [RIGHT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]1)[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]وأيضا[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]هيبوليتس(170-236م) [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]في تعليقه على المزمور الثاني يؤكد على أن المسيح ظهر[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]كإله وإنسان[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]([/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]اقتباس غير حرفي[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial])[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/RIGHT] [LEFT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] “When he came into the world, [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]he was manifested as God and man[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial].” Hippolytus (170-236 AD), On Psalm II. From the Exposition of the Second Psalm, by the Holy Bishop Hippolytus[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/LEFT] [RIGHT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]ثم يقتبس [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]هيبوليتس[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial] حرفيا[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]في رده على الهرطوقي نوتس [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE] [/RIGHT] [LEFT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]“He now, coming forth into the world, was [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]manifested as God in a body[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial].” Hippolytus (170-236 AD), Against Noetus Ch17[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/LEFT] [RIGHT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]وأيضا في [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]مقالته عن نهاية العالم [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]في الفصلين الأول وال22[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/RIGHT] [SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Thus, too, they preached of the advent of [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]God in the flesh[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] to the world.” Ch1 “For our [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]God sojourned with us in the flesh[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial].” Ch22 Hippolytus (170 -236) On the End of the World[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [/SIZE] [RIGHT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]3) وكذا [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]ديونيسيوس [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]الاسكندري يستشهد[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]صراحة بالنص[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Arial]في منتصف القرن الثالث[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]الميلادي (264م ) قبل مجمع [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]نيقية[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/RIGHT] [LEFT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]“For [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]God was manifest in the flesh[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial], made of woman, born out of God the Father, out of the womb before the morning star.” Dionysius of Alexandria (264 AD), letter to Paul of Samosata (Concilia, i. 853a or Conciliations I:1:853)[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/LEFT] [RIGHT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]4) ونضيف كذا القديس[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial] غريغوريوس صانع العجائب [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]( [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Arial]المتوفي في القرن الثالث الميلادي 213-270م قبل مجمع نيقية بأكثر[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Arial]من 50 عام[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial])[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/RIGHT] [LEFT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]To maintain two natures in the one Christ, makes a Tetrad of the Trinity, says he; for he expressed himself thus: And it [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]is the true God, the unincarnate, that was manifested in the flesh[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial], perfect with the true and divine perfection (Gregory Thaumaturgus, [AD 213-270 ] A Sectional Confession of the Faith[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/LEFT] [RIGHT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]5) [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]وكذا القديس [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]ميثوديوس المتوفي[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]أيضا قبل مجمع نيقية[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial](ت 311 م) [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/RIGHT] [LEFT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Whence also in this place they are not only said to hymn with their praises the divine substance of the divine unity, but also the glory to be adored by all of that one of the sacred Trinity, which now, by [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]the appearance of God in the flesh[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial], has even lighted upon earth Saint Methodius of Olympus (died ca. 311) Oration on Simeon and Anna- Ch II[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE] [/LEFT] [RIGHT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]6) وأخيرا نستشهد حتى [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]بكتابات الهراطقة[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]من الأبيونيين [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]ذوي المسحة اليهودية [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial](قبل مجمع نيقية :192 م) [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]والذين استشهدوا بالنص في تأكيد على[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]اعترافهم بألوهية المسيح على خلاف الادعاءات المنتشرة عنهم [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/RIGHT] [LEFT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]And the Lord shall judge Israel first, even for the wrong they did unto Him; for when [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]He appeared as a deliverer, God in the flesh[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial], they believed Him not. The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs Ch IX.10 (c192 )[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE] [/LEFT] [RIGHT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]إذاَ شهادة الآباء … بل وحتى الهراطقة المخالفين في العقيدة ، كلها واضحة [U][COLOR=#ff0000]قبل مجمع نيقية [/COLOR][/U]تتخطى الشك إلى اليقين بالقراءة الصحيحة [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/RIGHT] [CENTER][CENTER][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]الله ظهر في الجسد[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/CENTER] [/CENTER] [RIGHT][SIZE=5][B][U][COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Arial]فماذا عن الآباء بعد مجمع نيقية [/FONT][/COLOR][/U][/B][/SIZE][/RIGHT] [RIGHT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]7) نجد القديس [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]غريغوريوس النيسي[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial](331-395) [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]والذي استشهد بالنص ما يقرب من 22 مرة منها[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE] [/RIGHT] [SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Timothy, proclaims in plain terms, [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]God was manifest in the flesh[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial], justified in the spirit . Since then the fact has been demonstrated on every side that the Only-begotten God is God.” Gregory Nyssa (331-395 AD), Against Eunomius (book XI. 2)[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [/SIZE] [LEFT][SIZE=5][B]“And hence it is that all who preach the word point out the wonderful character of the mystery in this respect, that [/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]God was manifested in the flesh[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial].” Gregory Nyssa (331-395 AD), Against Eunomius (book V. 3)[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/LEFT] [LEFT][SIZE=5][B]Therefore both He Who was formed in the Virgin’s womb, according to the word of the prophet, is the servant, and not the Lord (that is to say, the man according to the flesh, in whom God was manifested), and also, in the other passage, He Who was created as the beginning of His ways is not God, [/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]but the man in whom God was manifested to us [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial](On the Faith, Gregory Nyssa (331-395 AD)[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/LEFT] [RIGHT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [IMG]http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif?m=1268502266g[/IMG] ثم القديس [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]الذهبي الفم 349-407[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]م في تفسير انجيل يوحنا[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]يؤكد بأن الله ظهر في الجسد مستشهدا بالآية[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/RIGHT] [LEFT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Now if He be the Image of the Invisible, He must be invisible Himself, for otherwise He would not be an “image.” And wonder not that Paul saith in another place, “[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]God was manifested in the Flesh[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]” ( 1 Tim. iii. 16). (Chrysostom: Homilies on the Gospel of St. John and the Epistle to the Hebrews)[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/LEFT] [RIGHT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]وأيضا[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]يوحنا الذهبي الفم في[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]تفسيره لرسالة تيموثاوس[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE] [/RIGHT] [LEFT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Since in his directions to the Priests he had required nothing like what is found in Leviticus he refers the whole matter to Another, saying, “[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]God was manifest in the flesh[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial].” The Creator was seen incarnate. “He was justified in the Spirit.” As it is said (Chrysostom: Homilies on 1 Timothy)[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/LEFT] [LEFT][RIGHT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE] [/RIGHT] [/LEFT] [RIGHT][SIZE=5][B][FONT=Arial]9) وأيضا القديس [/FONT][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]ثيؤدوريتس اسقف قبرص 393- 457[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/RIGHT] [SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]The divine apostle, writing to Timothy, also says “without controversy great is the mystery of godliness. [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial].” It is therefore plain that the divine nature is invisible, but the flesh visible, and that through the visible the invisible was seen, by its means working wonders and unveiling its own power, for with the hand He fashioned the sense of seeing and healed him that was blind from birth. Again He gave the power of hearing to the deaf, and loosed the fettered tongue, using his fingers for a tool and applying his spittle like some healing medicine. So again when He walked upon the sea He displayed the almighty power of the Godhead. Fitly, therefore, did the apostle say “God was manifest in the flesh.” For through it appeared the invisible nature beheld by its means by the angel hosts, for “He was seen,” he says, “of angels.” The “Eranistes “or “Polymorphus”. of the Blessed Theodoretus, Bishop of Cyrus (458 AD)[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [/SIZE] [RIGHT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]10) بل أن القديس [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]كيرلس السكندري[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial] عمود الدين يؤكد النص الصحيح [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE][/RIGHT] [LEFT][SIZE=5][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]The Divine Paul says that great is the Mystery of godliness. And this is true, for [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Arial]the Word was manifested in the flesh, since He is God[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]; justified in Spirit ….(Cyril of Alexandria, Scholia on the incarnation of the Only-Begotten. LFC 47, Oxford (1881) pp.185-236.)[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/SIZE] [RIGHT][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][B][FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=5]مقتبس من بحث الاستاذ ابراهيم القبطى[/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/RIGHT] [RIGHT][B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/RIGHT] [/LEFT] [/QUOTE]

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