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الرسالة: [QUOTE="apostle.paul, post: 3174455, member: 85886"] [COLOR="Black"][FONT="Arial Black"][SIZE="5"][COLOR=Blue][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=5][B]الغريبة ان هذة الشخصية الجبانة التى وجهنا لها الدعوة للحوار فى اى شئ يريده فى المسيحية مقابل حوارنا فى اسلامه وكل مرة يولى الدبر قاعد بين شوية عيال سلفيين بدقون يفتى عليهم ولا حد بيسال ولا حد بيفهم واهو بيلقط رزقه بدل " الصياعة " وفى محاضرة بعنوان موثوقية الاناجيل الاربعة ومشاكلها ولم يتعرض لكلمة واحدة للنقد الكتابى باى مرجع سوى انه قاعد قعدة مصاطب وبيفتى والمحاضرة انا هقسمها على اجزاء لنرى مدى الفتى الاسلامى والجهل الذريع تكلم عن هناك نصوص فى العهد الجديد اقتبست من العهد القديم وليس لها وجود اتنين منهم احنا جاوبنا عليهم والثالث فى انجيل يوحنا حيث يقول المسيح [/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][SIZE=5][COLOR=Black][B]إِنَّهُ مَكْتُوبٌ فِي الأَنْبِيَاءِ: وَيَكُونُ الْجَمِيعُ مُتَعَلِّمِينَ مِنَ الله[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=Book Antiqua][B][COLOR=DarkRed]ه[/COLOR][COLOR=DarkRed]ذا النص غير موجود فى العهد القديم اذن الكتاب محرف اذن محمد نبى اذن انا هدخل الجنة وهنكح حور العين كبروا يا اخوة هكذا يسير المسلم الغلبان المسكين بيتشعلق فى قشة علشان يثبت ان المسحور نبيا[/COLOR][/B][/FONT][COLOR=DarkRed] [/COLOR][B][COLOR=DarkRed]بعيدا عن " الزبالات العلمية " الموجهه لبسطاء والضحك على دقونهم[/COLOR] هذا التعليم موجود فى الانبياء كما قال كلمة الاب الازلى وسيد الخليقة يسوع المسيح وتحديدا فى سفر اشعياء اصحاح 54 [/B][FONT=Century Gothic][COLOR=Navy][B]54: 13 و كل بنيك تلاميذ الرب [/B][/COLOR][/FONT] [B]ويسوع لم يحدد سفرا محددا مقتبسا منه بل قال " فى الانبياء " فهذا تعليم الانبياء ومذكور نفس التعليم فى مواضع عدة على سبيل المثال من ارميا النبى[/B] [COLOR=Navy][B]يقول الرب اجعل شريعتي في داخلهم و اكتبها على قلوبهم[/B][/COLOR] [B]اقوال العلماء على سبيل المثال لا الحصر[/B] [FONT=Book Antiqua][COLOR=Blue][B]تعليقات net bible[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] [LEFT][B][/B]67[B][FONT=Century Gothic] sn A quotation from Isa 54:13[/FONT][/B].[/LEFT] [FONT=Century Gothic][COLOR=Blue][B]وليم مكدونالد[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] [LEFT] [B][FONT=Century Gothic]First of all, He quotes from [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Century Gothic]Isaiah 54:13, “And they shall all be taught by God.”[URL="http://www.arabchurch.com/forums/#_ftn1"][/URL][/FONT][/B][/LEFT] [LEFT] [B][FONT=Century Gothic][URL="http://www.arabchurch.com/forums/#_ftnref1"][/URL][SIZE=3][COLOR=Blue]MacDonald, William ; Farstad, Arthur: [I]Believer's Bible Commentary : Old and New Testaments[/I]. Nashville : Thomas Nelson, 1997, c1995, S. Jn 6:45 [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][RIGHT][COLOR=Purple][B]توم كونستابل[FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/COLOR] [B][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3][COLOR=Blue][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/RIGHT] [/LEFT] [LEFT][B][FONT=Comic Sans MS]Jesus clarified what God’s drawing involves. He cited recognized authority for His statement that all whom the Father had chosen would come to Him.[U][COLOR=Blue] Old Testament prophets had revealed that God would teach His people ([/COLOR][/U][U][COLOR=Blue]Isa. 54:13; cf. Jer. 31:34[/COLOR][/U][U][COLOR=Blue]). [/COLOR][/U]Those whom God enlightened about Jesus’ identity would believe in Him. That enlightenment comes primarily through the ******ures, God’s principle tool.[URL="http://www.arabchurch.com/forums/#_ftn1"][/URL][/FONT][/B][/LEFT] [LEFT] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][URL="http://www.arabchurch.com/forums/#_ftnref1"][/URL][SIZE=3][COLOR=Blue]Tom Constable: [I]Tom Constable's Expository Notes on the Bible[/I]. Galaxie Software, 2003; 2003, S. Jn 6:45[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][RIGHT][COLOR=Blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Comic Sans MS][B][SIZE=5]بايملر[/SIZE] [/B][/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR][LEFT][B][FONT=Century Gothic][U][COLOR=Purple]God worked on us through his Word. The prophets had said the people would be taught by God (Isaiah 54:13; Jeremiah 31:33, 34[/COLOR][/U][U][COLOR=Purple]).[/COLOR][/U] And everyone who hears and learns from the Father comes to Jesus.[URL="http://www.arabchurch.com/forums/#_ftn1"][/URL][/FONT][/B][/LEFT] [LEFT] [B][FONT=Century Gothic][URL="http://www.arabchurch.com/forums/#_ftnref1"][/URL][SIZE=3][U][COLOR=Red]Baumler, Gary P.: [I]John[/I]. Milwaukee, Wis. : Northwestern Publishing House, 1997 (The People's Bible), S. 102[/COLOR][/U][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [/LEFT] [B][COLOR=Blue]هيندركسن قدم اعداد عدة مذكور فيها نفس التعليم بتلقى التعليم من الله[/COLOR][/B] [LEFT][B].[FONT=Century Gothic]6:45 cancels or at least weakens 6:44. The expression, It is written in the prophets, And they shall all be taught of God, does not in any sense whatever place in the hands of men the [I]power[/I] to accept Jesus as Lord. Here is more — much more! — than mere intellectual advancement. Here, too, is more than that plus moral suasion. Here is the transformation of the entire personality! [U][COLOR=Navy]The reference to the prophets is very general, indicating that it was the prevalent teaching of that section of the Old Testament which is called “the prophets” that in the Messianic age all the citizens of the true Israel would be taught of God. The following passages immediately occur to the mind: [/COLOR][/U][U][COLOR=Navy]Isa. 54:13; 60:2, 3; Jer. 31:33, 34; Joel 2:28; Mic. 4:2; Zeph. 3:9; and Mal. 1:11. Clearest is Isa. 54:13, as is evident when we place side by side[URL="http://www.arabchurch.com/forums/#_ftn1"][/URL][/COLOR][/U][/FONT][/B][U][COLOR=Navy] [/COLOR][/U][B][FONT=Century Gothic]It is not true that [/FONT][/B][/LEFT] [LEFT] [B][FONT=Century Gothic][URL="http://www.arabchurch.com/forums/#_ftnref1"][/URL]Hendriksen, William ; Kistemaker, Simon J.: [I]New Testament Commentary : Exposition of the Gospel According to John[/I]. Grand Rapids : Baker Book House, 1953-2001 (New Testament Commentary 1-2), S. 1:239[/FONT][/B] [/LEFT] [COLOR=Blue][B]اندرو لنكولن[/B][/COLOR] [LEFT][FONT=Century Gothic][B]The ******ural support for the necessity of God’s role in human believing is taken from the same section of the prophets that has already been alluded to in the discourse. [/B][B][U][COLOR=Blue]And they shall all be taught by God is drawn From Isa. 54:13[/COLOR][/U].[URL="http://www.arabchurch.com/forums/#_ftn1"][/URL][/B][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT] [FONT=Century Gothic][B][URL="http://www.arabchurch.com/forums/#_ftnref1"][/URL][SIZE=3][COLOR=Navy]Lincoln, Andrew T.: [I]Black's New Testament Commentary: The Gospel According to Saint John[/I]. Peabody, MA : Hendrickson Publishers, 2005, S. 230[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [/LEFT] [B]ادم كلارك[/B] [COLOR=Blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=5][COLOR=Blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=5][COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial Black][SIZE=5][FONT=Arial Narrow][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [LEFT][LEFT][B][FONT=Century Gothic][U][COLOR=DarkRed]Verse 45. It is written in the prophets] Isa 54:13; Jer 31:34[/COLOR][/U].[/FONT][/B][/LEFT][/LEFT] [LEFT][LEFT][B][FONT=Century Gothic]They shall be all taught of God.] This explains the preceding verse. God teaches a man to know himself, that, finding his need of salvation, he may flee to lay hold on the hope which his heavenly Father has set before him in the Gospel. God draws men by his [I]love[/I], and by showing them what his love has done for them. [I]Fear[/I] repels, but [I]love[/I] attracts. He who is ever preaching the terrors of the law, and representing God as a vindictive judge, will never bring sinners to him. They are [I]afraid[/I] of this terrible God: but they [I]love[/I] him, [I]who so loved the world[/I] that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him might not perish, but have everlasting life.[/FONT][/B][/LEFT] [B][FONT=Century Gothic][URL="http://www.arabchurch.com/forums/#_ftn1"][/URL][/FONT][/B][/LEFT] [LEFT] [B][FONT=Century Gothic][URL="http://www.arabchurch.com/forums/#_ftnref1"][/URL][SIZE=3][COLOR=Indigo]Clarke, Adam: [I]Clarke's Commentary: John[/I]. electronic ed. Albany, OR : Ages Software, 1999 (Logos Library System; Clarke's Commentaries), S. Jn 6:45 [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][RIGHT][SIZE=5][B][FONT=Century Gothic][COLOR=Indigo]جون سبنس[/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/SIZE] [B][FONT=Century Gothic][SIZE=3][COLOR=Indigo][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/RIGHT] [/LEFT] [LEFT][B][FONT=Century Gothic]Ver. 45.—It is written in the prophets; either in the division of ******ure called “the prophets,” or because the substance of the statement is found to pervade the prophets,and to receive express, if not literal, utterance in Isa. 54:13. The prophet, on describing the glorious triumphs of the Servant of the Lord in his new kingdom, added (LXX.), [FONT=Gentium]Καὶ πάντας τοὺς υἰοὺς σου διδακτοὺς Θεοῦ, καὶ ἐν πολλῇ εἰρήνη τὰ τέκνα σου[/FONT], “And all thy sons [I will make] to be taught of God, and in much [great] peace thy children” (cf. also Jer. 31:34. [LXX., 38:34.], for the same thought in other words).[URL="http://www.arabchurch.com/forums/#_ftn1"][/URL][/FONT][/B][/LEFT] [LEFT] [B][FONT=Century Gothic][URL="http://www.arabchurch.com/forums/#_ftnref1"][/URL] [SIZE=3][COLOR=Blue]Spence-Jones, H. D. M. (Hrsg.): [I]The Pulpit Commentary: St.John Vol. I[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=Blue]. Bellingham, WA : Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2004, S. 264[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [/LEFT] [B]اذن الاقتباس موجود اذن الكتاب مش محرف اذن محمد دجال اذن مفيش حور عين يا ضنايا اذن انت جاهل وبتضحك على العيال فكيف لجاهل ان يقيم محاضرات لجهلة؟[/B] [CENTER][COLOR=Blue][B]ولا عزاء للعقلاء الى اللقاء فى حلقة اخرى... [/B][/COLOR][/CENTER] [B][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=Blue][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/RIGHT] [/LEFT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]

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