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الرسالة: [QUOTE="Molka Molkan, post: 3223231, member: 79186"] [COLOR="Black"][FONT="Tahoma"][SIZE="4"][COLOR=Black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=4][COLOR=Black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=4]معلش عزيزي حارس العقيدة، في شوية كلام عايز أحطهم في الموضوع هنا للذكرى.. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][CENTER][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5][COLOR=Black][COLOR=Black][B][COLOR=Blue]..( [/COLOR][/B][COLOR=Red][B]1 [/B][COLOR=Blue][B])[/B][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][COLOR=Blue]..[/COLOR] [/CENTER] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=4][COLOR=Black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=4] [LEFT] [LEFT]In verse 28 Jesus has spoken about his own love for the sheep; in verse 29 about his Father’s love. No one shall snatch them out of the Son’s hand nor out of the Father’s hand, for they are more precious than all others. Hence, with respect to this protecting care, Son (verse 28) and Father (verse 29) are [I]one[/I]. Therefore Jesus says, [B]I and the Father, we are one.[/B][/LEFT] [LEFT]However, inasmuch as in other passages it is clearly taught that the oneness is a matter not only of outward operation but also (and basically) [B][COLOR=Red]of inner essence[/COLOR][/B] (see especially 5:18 but also 1:14, 18; 3:16), it is clear that also here nothing less than this can have been meant. Certainly if Son and Father are [I]one[/I] essentially, then when Jesus states, “I and the Father, we are one,” [B][COLOR=Red]he cannot merely mean, “We are one in providing protective care for the sheep.[/COLOR][/B]” The economic trinity rests forever upon the essential trinity (see on 1:14 and 1:18).[/LEFT] [LEFT]Note how carefully both the diversity of the persons [B][COLOR=Red]and the unity of the essence[/COLOR][/B] is expressed here. Jesus says, “I and the Father.” Hence, he clearly speaks about [I]two[/I] persons. And this plurality is shown also by the verb (one word in Greek) “[I]we[/I]-are” ([B][FONT=Gentium]ἐσμεν[/FONT][/B]). These two persons never become one [I]person[/I]. Hence, Jesus does not say, “We are [I]one person”[/I] ([B][FONT=Gentium]εἶς[/FONT][/B]), [COLOR=Red][B]but he says, “We are one [I]substance[/I] ([/B][B][FONT=Gentium]ἕν[/FONT])[/B][/COLOR]. Though two [I]persons,[/I] [B][COLOR=Red]the two are one [I]substance[/I] or [I]essence[/I][/COLOR][/B]. [/LEFT] [SIZE=3]Hendriksen, W., & Kistemaker, S. J. (1953-2001). [I]Vol. 1-2[/I]: [I]New Testament commentary : Exposition of the Gospel According to John[/I]. Accompanying biblical text is author's translation. New Testament Commentary (2:125-126). Grand Rapids: Baker Book House.[/SIZE] [/LEFT] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]

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